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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:30:00 -
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Now remember though guys: If this is the way it sounds like it is going, Somer will have 10 days to cease RMT activities. Banning may or may not occur, who knows but CCP on that side. Either way, Somer may not be able, or may not be eager to carry on at the rate they are. Personally I'd advise anyone that still has an outstanding balance with them to cycle it through blinks and cash out as much as possible before the inevitable. If once the dust settles they are still operating, then you could cash back in.
I most certainly wouldn't leave an outstanding payment and cross my fingers hoping they'll still pay out to the community once this storm hits. But that's just me. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:34:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Now remember though guys: If this is the way it sounds like it is going, Somer will have 10 days to cease RMT activities. Banning may or may not occur, who knows but CCP on that side. Either way, Somer may not be able, or may not be eager to carry on at the rate they are. Personally I'd advise anyone that still has an outstanding balance with them to cycle it through blinks and cash out as much as possible before the inevitable. If once the dust settles they are still operating, then you could cash back in.
I most certainly wouldn't leave an outstanding payment and cross my fingers hoping they'll still pay out to the community once this storm hits. But that's just me. they definitely won't pay out. look at that one guy who they took 16bil from for a lotto that never materialized, and then never gave it back. I think I must have missed that one. You got a link? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:44:00 -
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Handsome Feller wrote:*stuff* It's not really like that though is it. Somer have been running an RMT scheme, thats what this is about. The fact that CCP gave them ships and endorsed them is a separate issue that was dealt with separately. This on top just makes CCP look stupid. I don't think for a second that CCP helped Somer RMT directly, just by misjudging them. Now if Somer stop RMTing, that's good, but it's already been going on. If another RMTer got told to stop and did, would you then say they should be left unpunished too? CCP need to fully audit Somer, figure out exactly how far this has stretched, then give an appropriate punishment. We would expect the same for anyone else, so why not Somer? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:53:00 -
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Handsome Feller wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Crossing the road was always against the law, just because some cops looked the other way for a few years does not change that fact.
Logic fail. There's only one cop and he was happy with you crossing the road every single day. He also helped you to cross the road. But one day, he killed you for it. Well no, not really. There was one cop, and there were lots of people loudly crossing the road and they stopped them crossing all the time. But the little old lady was quietly sneaking across the road, while the cop was busy elsewhere. Now that everyone behaving themselves by not crossing the road has said "hey, look at that old lady, she's been crossing the road!", and some people have been saying "look, look at how I can cross the road sneakily", the cop now is changing how he enforces the already existing law to prevent the old lady crossing sneakily. The old lady should get the chair since she's a far worse road crosser than a blatant road crosser, as she knowingly sneaks across the road! The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:56:00 -
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Handsome Feller wrote:Ace Boogi wrote: yes, it would mean the rules are being applied fairly, for once. everyone else who shows the slightest hint of RMT gets a banhammer, but in this case we have clear evidence of massive ongoing RMT to the tune of over $135k over several years. if that isn't ban-worthy, i don't know what is.
So you'd be perfectly happy for CCP to tell you that evading Concord in highsec is fine. So you evade Concord. But then the next day they ban you for it? Providing they ban everyone who evaded Concord (after being told it's OK), you'd be cool with that? If you can show me the evidence that CCP officially told Somer it was fine to RMT, I would LOVE to see it. Now if they had banned everyone that was evading concord, but I found a way to evade concord that they couldn't track, and I used that to my advantage, I would understand entirely the epic destruction from the banhammer I would get when they found out. And that's more what Somer are doing. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:58:00 -
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Handsome Feller wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Handsome Feller wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Crossing the road was always against the law, just because some cops looked the other way for a few years does not change that fact.
Logic fail. There's only one cop and he was happy with you crossing the road every single day. He also helped you to cross the road. But one day, he killed you for it. Well no, not really. There was one cop, and there were lots of people loudly crossing the road and they stopped them crossing all the time. But the little old lady was quietly sneaking across the road, while the cop was busy elsewhere. Now that everyone behaving themselves by not crossing the road has said "hey, look at that old lady, she's been crossing the road!", and some people have been saying "look, look at how I can cross the road sneakily", the cop now is changing how he enforces the already existing law to prevent the old lady crossing sneakily. The old lady should get the chair since she's a far worse road crosser than a blatant road crosser, as she knowingly sneaks across the road! You missed a bit. let me help you out. "But the little old lady was quietly sneaking across the road, AND THE COP WAS HELPING HER." HOW was the cop helping her? CCP didn't help Somer to RMT. CCP separately gave them items. That is: he saw the old lady, but not crossing the road, giving out sweets to the good people and thought "she could give out our good citizen medals", so he put her in charge of the good citizen medals. Now he sees she's been crossing the road. Naughty old lady. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1471
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:00:00 -
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Rroff wrote:So what about GTC resellers like Markee Dragon and Shattered Crystal? do they now have to resell at cost to? No, they are an allowed reseller. Nothing changes on that front. They would not be allowed to give out in game incentives to buy though them though, but as far as I know, none of them do. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:01:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:People here not quite understanding the point of an analogy. this one captures the salient details perfectly well. Pointing out places where it differs does not help. Analogous things are by definition different from the things they are analogous to. The point of this analogy is to illuminate one particular aspect of the case - that someone in a position of authority authorized certain behaviour and that it looks pretty odd when the same authority is now being called on to punish the behaviour they (may have) authorised. Except the difference we are arguing is they didn't authorise the RMT. The fact that they authorised Somer to perform an in-game raffle on their behalf and stupidly stated they are legit does not mean they gave Somer permission to breach the EULA. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:23:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:RAW23 wrote:People here not quite understanding the point of an analogy. this one captures the salient details perfectly well. Pointing out places where it differs does not help. Analogous things are by definition different from the things they are analogous to. The point of this analogy is to illuminate one particular aspect of the case - that someone in a position of authority authorized certain behaviour and that it looks pretty odd when the same authority is now being called on to punish the behaviour they (may have) authorised. Except the difference we are arguing is they didn't authorise the RMT. The fact that they authorised Somer to perform an in-game raffle on their behalf and stupidly stated they are legit does not mean they gave Somer permission to breach the EULA. Then I think we are talking about different things. I, for one, am considering this from the perspective of an assumption that Somer did receive either explicit or implicit approval for his practices from CCP. This is obviously hypothetical at this point but seems likely given how long it took them to make a decision on this point. CCP were obviously not just straightforwardly enforcing their longstanding rules. They had to think about it and think about it for a long time. Which strongly suggests to me that they were reversing themselves. Goddamn forum eating up my replies. Short of it being: - Don't assume, look at the facts - Facts are, RMTing has occurred, the perpetrator should be punished The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:23:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:RAW23 wrote:People here not quite understanding the point of an analogy. this one captures the salient details perfectly well. Pointing out places where it differs does not help. Analogous things are by definition different from the things they are analogous to. The point of this analogy is to illuminate one particular aspect of the case - that someone in a position of authority authorized certain behaviour and that it looks pretty odd when the same authority is now being called on to punish the behaviour they (may have) authorised. THANK. YOU. I don't know if the internet makes people ********, or if it just opens the door for more retards to discuss opinions, but my god its rare for someone to understand what an analogy is . . .and what it is not. We all know what an analogy is, it was just a bad one that makes no sense unless you have evidence that CCP gave permission for Somer to RMT. Maybe you don;t realise what an analogy is. It's generally supposed to be a description of a situation in terms more easily related to the target audience that describes the original situation in a way the audience can understand. What you presented was a different situation, which simply presented your assumed view of what had happened. Stick to the facts, and maybe just avoid analogies altogether if you don't understand their purpose.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.31 14:23:00 -
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Quote:We will, however, continue to support in-game corporations who encourage their members to purchase ETC from BattleClinic Deep Space Supply, and who also give in-game items or ISK to those members as a matter of in-game corporate policy, because in our view this practice does not violate the spirit of CCPGÇÖs rule change. This is going to need official CCP clarification rather than guesswork from the GTC provider. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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